| Author | Messages | |
acjuelich
Posts:147
 | | 05/04/2010 4:04 PM |
| Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| dmarelia
Posts:441
| | 05/04/2010 4:13 PM |
| Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/04/2010 4:21 PM |
| Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| dougdelaney
Posts:43
| | 05/04/2010 4:31 PM |
| I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image002.jpg@01CAEB73.CB8703B0]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/04/2010 4:41 PM |
| Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEB6D.5F2AE610]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| jeromelcruz
Posts:123
| | 05/04/2010 5:53 PM |
| Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEB62.14C7A0F0]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/04/2010 6:17 PM |
| So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEB78.7F6F3D80]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| dmarelia
Posts:441
| | 05/04/2010 6:30 PM |
| Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEB6B.064873C0]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/04/2010 7:00 PM |
| When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I'm not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEB7F.7F9CD900]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/04/2010 8:56 PM |
| I've now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I'm not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEB90.44C48BF0]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/05/2010 10:54 PM |
| Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don't seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I've now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I'm not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEC68.FE176360]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| dmarelia
Posts:441
| | 05/05/2010 10:57 PM |
| Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can't see a reason why it wouldn't actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don't seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I've now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I'm not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAEC59.2B268670]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/05/2010 11:31 PM |
| No problem, Darren.
If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test machines and saw this (note the times):
[cid:image002.png@01CAEC6E.EFDC4B70]
[cid:image003.png@01CAEC6E.EFDC4B70]
This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine's Control Panel:
[cid:image004.png@01CAEC6E.EFDC4B70]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can't see a reason why it wouldn't actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don't seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I've now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I'm not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image005.jpg@01CAEC6E.EFDC4B70]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| dmarelia
Posts:441
| | 05/06/2010 3:38 PM |
| Adam-
Its hard to tell what is going on there. You're getting access denied errors on the power plan but its still applying. Do you know how to enable GPP trace logging? Might be worth having a look at the trace for power management and see if something is really not working correctly.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
No problem, Darren.
If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test machines and saw this (note the times):
[cid:image001.png@01CAECE5.7C9D9B10]
[cid:image002.png@01CAECE5.7C9D9B10]
This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine's Control Panel:
[cid:image003.png@01CAECE5.7C9D9B10]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can't see a reason why it wouldn't actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don't seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I've now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I'm not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
[cid:image004.jpg@01CAECE5.7C9D9B10]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/06/2010 6:54 PM |
| No, I'm not sure how to enable GPP trace logging. How do I go about that? Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:32 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Its hard to tell what is going on there. You're getting access denied errors on the power plan but its still applying. Do you know how to enable GPP trace logging? Might be worth having a look at the trace for power management and see if something is really not working correctly.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
No problem, Darren.
If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test machines and saw this (note the times):
[cid:image001.png@01CAED11.AAB201E0]
[cid:image002.png@01CAED11.AAB201E0]
This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine's Control Panel:
[cid:image003.png@01CAED11.AAB201E0]
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can't see a reason why it wouldn't actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don't seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I've now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I'm not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won't work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it....it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I'm trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren't shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going... we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn't work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
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From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We're starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE's. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn't seem to actually be 'applying.' I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE's
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
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| jsclmedave
Posts:67
| | 05/06/2010 7:35 PM |
| http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2008/07/18/enabling-group-policy-preferences-debug-logging-using-the-rsat.aspx
<http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2008/07/18/enabling-group-policy-preferences-debug-logging-using-the-rsat.aspx>From
earlier post -
As for whether they are getting picked up correctly, if you go to
download.microsoft.com and search on "Group Policy Preferences ADMX",
you'll find the GPP ADMX files that you can install. What these do after
you
put them in c:\windows\policydefinitions (or the Central Store) is add a
container under Computer Config\Admin Templates\System\Group Policy\Logging
and Tracing that exposes trace logging for each GPP extension. This is
probably the best bet for tracking down problems that may be occurring
after
RSoP reports that a setting did or did not get delivered.
As for a whitepaper on troubleshooting-I actually have an old one out on
GPOGUY.COM that I probably need to update. Also, if anyone is interested,
I'm doing a 3 part video webinar for Windows IT Pro magazine on GP
Troubleshooting, in June. More info is here:
http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearnin
g/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic
<http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearni
ng/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic&v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
> &v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
It does cost some nominal amount, I believe, but perhaps worth it for some.
Darren
Tim Bolton
148 2nd Street North
Central City Iowa, 52214
Microsoft Certified IT Professional
Blog - Http://timbolton.net/
"Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in
the correct screw." ~ Steve Riley
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Adam C Juelich <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> No, I’m not sure how to enable GPP trace logging. How do I go about
> that? Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Darren Mar-Elia
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:32 AM
>
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Adam-
>
> Its hard to tell what is going on there. You’re getting access denied
> errors on the power plan but its still applying. Do you know how to enable
> GPP trace logging? Might be worth having a look at the trace for power
> management and see if something is really not working correctly.
>
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:21 PM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> No problem, Darren.
>
>
>
> If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the
> GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test
> machines and saw this (note the times):
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine’s
> Control Panel:
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Darren Mar-Elia
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting?
> Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is
> getting delivered, I can’t see a reason why it wouldn’t actually work,
> except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system
> awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines
> and interactively set the power setting for standby?
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO
> applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the
> settings don’t seem to go into effect?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> I’ve now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By.
> Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it
> did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at
> the logon screen so I’m not sure. Do most people create settings on both
> the Computer and User side?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Darren Mar-Elia
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Adam-
>
> The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will
> apply **until** a user logs in with a different set of power settings.
> This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a
> GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles.
> So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then
> the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a
> conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
>
>
>
> So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply
> the settings to a particular set of machines.
>
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
> *To:* 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable
> Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
>
>
>
> If it won’t work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option
> with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just
> the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to
> change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I
> just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold
> boot and then nobody logs into it….it seems like it would never get any of
> the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Cruz, Jerome L
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
>
> * *
>
> *Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences*
>
>
> http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
>
>
>
> *How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans* (Note:
> I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)**
>
> http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
>
>
>
> *Jerry Cruz* | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and
> Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT**
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
> *To:* 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a
> Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login
> screen then? I’m trying to implement these settings to save power when
> machines aren’t shut off at night.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Delaney, Doug
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> I know where this is going… we tried and tried to apply power options via
> computer, and it simply doesn’t work. They must be configured as user
> preferences to work.
>
>
>
> Doug Delaney
>
> Technology Consultant III
>
> Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
>
> HP Enterprise Services
>
> Telephone +1 248.365.9187
>
> Mobile +1 248.210.4973
>
> Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> 985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
>
>
>
> [image: hplogo_forsignature.png]
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
> *To:* 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Per Computer
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Darren Mar-Elia
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Adam-
>
> Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
>
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Adam C Juelich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
> *To:* xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> We’re starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the
> GP CSE’s. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and
> applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the
> correct settings but the thing is that it doesn’t seem to actually be
> ‘applying.’ I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30
> minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I
> manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
>
>
>
> Server 2003 Domain
>
> Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE’s
>
>
>
>
>
> Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Adam C. Juelich*
>
> A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
>
> District Technician
>
> Pulaski Community School District
>
> 920-822-6075
>
>
>
| |
Tim Bolton | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/06/2010 9:23 PM |
| Thanks, Tim. I already had the ADMX’s in the Central Store, so I just had to enable that logging. I just applied the GPO to another machine and it appears to have applied everything correctly and I don’t see any errors in the Event Log. This is also a desktop, so the Standby setting does not affect it at this point so I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Attached are the Trace Logs from the laptop that was giving the errors. The ID of the Power Management GPO is {04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}. This is also the second Power Management GPO, as the first one was only set up on the Computer Side – I had it set to remove after it was no longer applied.
Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Bolton
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:17 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2008/07/18/enabling-group-policy-preferences-debug-logging-using-the-rsat.aspx
From earlier post -
As for whether they are getting picked up correctly, if you go to
download.microsoft.com<http://download.microsoft.com> and search on "Group Policy Preferences ADMX",
you'll find the GPP ADMX files that you can install. What these do after you
put them in c:\windows\policydefinitions (or the Central Store) is add a
container under Computer Config\Admin Templates\System\Group Policy\Logging
and Tracing that exposes trace logging for each GPP extension. This is
probably the best bet for tracking down problems that may be occurring after
RSoP reports that a setting did or did not get delivered.
As for a whitepaper on troubleshooting-I actually have an old one out on
GPOGUY.COM<http://GPOGUY.COM> that I probably need to update. Also, if anyone is interested,
I'm doing a 3 part video webinar for Windows IT Pro magazine on GP
Troubleshooting, in June. More info is here:
http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearnin
g/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic
<http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearni
ng/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic&v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
> &v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
It does cost some nominal amount, I believe, but perhaps worth it for some.
Darren
Tim Bolton
148 2nd Street North
Central City Iowa, 52214
Microsoft Certified IT Professional
Blog - Http://timbolton.net/
"Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw." ~ Steve Riley
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Adam C Juelich <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
No, I’m not sure how to enable GPP trace logging. How do I go about that? Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:32 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Its hard to tell what is going on there. You’re getting access denied errors on the power plan but its still applying. Do you know how to enable GPP trace logging? Might be worth having a look at the trace for power management and see if something is really not working correctly.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
No problem, Darren.
If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test machines and saw this (note the times):
Error! Filename not specified.
Error! Filename not specified.
This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine’s Control Panel:
Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can’t see a reason why it wouldn’t actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don’t seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I’ve now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I’m not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won’t work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it….it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I’m trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren’t shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going… we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn’t work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We’re starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE’s. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn’t seem to actually be ‘applying.’ I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE’s
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| jeromelcruz
Posts:123
| | 05/06/2010 11:38 PM |
| Adam,
Check the files at:
2010-05-06 13:53:09.364 [pid=0x3f0,tid=0xbb4] GPE data file : \\pulaski.k12.wi.local\SysVol\pulaski.k12.wi.local\Policies\{04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}\User\Preferences\PowerOptions\PowerOptions.xml
And
2010-05-06 13:53:09.395 [pid=0x3f0,tid=0xbb4] GPH data file : C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Group Policy\History\{04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}\S-1-5-21-834434087-1672823513-1849977318-44511\Preferences\PowerOptions\PowerOptions.xml
1) Check to see whether the access permissions are good.
2) Check to see whether one of the files may be corrupted. I have found that sometimes the one in the GPO is fine, but that the one in the …\History\... location on the local device is corrupted…. They should both be ‘text based’ XML files and they should match exactly.
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
Office 425-865-6755 | Mobile 425-591-6491
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:14 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Thanks, Tim. I already had the ADMX’s in the Central Store, so I just had to enable that logging. I just applied the GPO to another machine and it appears to have applied everything correctly and I don’t see any errors in the Event Log. This is also a desktop, so the Standby setting does not affect it at this point so I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Attached are the Trace Logs from the laptop that was giving the errors. The ID of the Power Management GPO is {04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}. This is also the second Power Management GPO, as the first one was only set up on the Computer Side – I had it set to remove after it was no longer applied.
Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Bolton
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:17 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2008/07/18/enabling-group-policy-preferences-debug-logging-using-the-rsat.aspx
From earlier post -
As for whether they are getting picked up correctly, if you go to
download.microsoft.com<http://download.microsoft.com> and search on "Group Policy Preferences ADMX",
you'll find the GPP ADMX files that you can install. What these do after you
put them in c:\windows\policydefinitions (or the Central Store) is add a
container under Computer Config\Admin Templates\System\Group Policy\Logging
and Tracing that exposes trace logging for each GPP extension. This is
probably the best bet for tracking down problems that may be occurring after
RSoP reports that a setting did or did not get delivered.
As for a whitepaper on troubleshooting-I actually have an old one out on
GPOGUY.COM<http://GPOGUY.COM> that I probably need to update. Also, if anyone is interested,
I'm doing a 3 part video webinar for Windows IT Pro magazine on GP
Troubleshooting, in June. More info is here:
http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearnin
g/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic
<http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearni
ng/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic&v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
> &v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
It does cost some nominal amount, I believe, but perhaps worth it for some.
Darren
Tim Bolton
148 2nd Street North
Central City Iowa, 52214
Microsoft Certified IT Professional
Blog - Http://timbolton.net/
"Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw." ~ Steve Riley
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Adam C Juelich <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
No, I’m not sure how to enable GPP trace logging. How do I go about that? Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:32 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Its hard to tell what is going on there. You’re getting access denied errors on the power plan but its still applying. Do you know how to enable GPP trace logging? Might be worth having a look at the trace for power management and see if something is really not working correctly.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
No problem, Darren.
If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test machines and saw this (note the times):
Error! Filename not specified.
Error! Filename not specified.
This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine’s Control Panel:
Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can’t see a reason why it wouldn’t actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don’t seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I’ve now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I’m not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won’t work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it….it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I’m trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren’t shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going… we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn’t work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We’re starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE’s. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn’t seem to actually be ‘applying.’ I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE’s
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
| | | |
| acjuelich
Posts:147
| | 05/10/2010 2:50 PM |
| I’ll have to take a look at that. It’s weird, though, as it just started to work on one of the laptops but it’s not working on a desktop right next to me. It seems way too unpredictable.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:31 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam,
Check the files at:
2010-05-06 13:53:09.364 [pid=0x3f0,tid=0xbb4] GPE data file : \\pulaski.k12.wi.local\SysVol\pulaski.k12.wi.local\Policies\{04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}\User\Preferences\PowerOptions\PowerOptions.xml
And
2010-05-06 13:53:09.395 [pid=0x3f0,tid=0xbb4] GPH data file : C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Group Policy\History\{04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}\S-1-5-21-834434087-1672823513-1849977318-44511\Preferences\PowerOptions\PowerOptions.xml
1) Check to see whether the access permissions are good.
2) Check to see whether one of the files may be corrupted. I have found that sometimes the one in the GPO is fine, but that the one in the …\History\... location on the local device is corrupted…. They should both be ‘text based’ XML files and they should match exactly.
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
Office 425-865-6755 | Mobile 425-591-6491
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:14 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Thanks, Tim. I already had the ADMX’s in the Central Store, so I just had to enable that logging. I just applied the GPO to another machine and it appears to have applied everything correctly and I don’t see any errors in the Event Log. This is also a desktop, so the Standby setting does not affect it at this point so I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Attached are the Trace Logs from the laptop that was giving the errors. The ID of the Power Management GPO is {04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}. This is also the second Power Management GPO, as the first one was only set up on the Computer Side – I had it set to remove after it was no longer applied.
Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Bolton
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:17 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2008/07/18/enabling-group-policy-preferences-debug-logging-using-the-rsat.aspx
From earlier post -
As for whether they are getting picked up correctly, if you go to
download.microsoft.com<http://download.microsoft.com> and search on "Group Policy Preferences ADMX",
you'll find the GPP ADMX files that you can install. What these do after you
put them in c:\windows\policydefinitions (or the Central Store) is add a
container under Computer Config\Admin Templates\System\Group Policy\Logging
and Tracing that exposes trace logging for each GPP extension. This is
probably the best bet for tracking down problems that may be occurring after
RSoP reports that a setting did or did not get delivered.
As for a whitepaper on troubleshooting-I actually have an old one out on
GPOGUY.COM<http://GPOGUY.COM> that I probably need to update. Also, if anyone is interested,
I'm doing a 3 part video webinar for Windows IT Pro magazine on GP
Troubleshooting, in June. More info is here:
http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearnin
g/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic
<http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearni
ng/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic&v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
> &v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
It does cost some nominal amount, I believe, but perhaps worth it for some.
Darren
Tim Bolton
148 2nd Street North
Central City Iowa, 52214
Microsoft Certified IT Professional
Blog - Http://timbolton.net/
"Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw." ~ Steve Riley
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Adam C Juelich <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
No, I’m not sure how to enable GPP trace logging. How do I go about that? Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:32 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Its hard to tell what is going on there. You’re getting access denied errors on the power plan but its still applying. Do you know how to enable GPP trace logging? Might be worth having a look at the trace for power management and see if something is really not working correctly.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
No problem, Darren.
If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test machines and saw this (note the times):
Error! Filename not specified.
Error! Filename not specified.
This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine’s Control Panel:
Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can’t see a reason why it wouldn’t actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don’t seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I’ve now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I’m not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won’t work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it….it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I’m trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren’t shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going… we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn’t work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
Technology Consultant III
Americas Regional Delivery Engineering
HP Enterprise Services
Telephone +1 248.365.9187
Mobile +1 248.210.4973
Email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailtoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
985 W. Entrance Dr., 2A / Auburn Hills, MI 48326
Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We’re starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE’s. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn’t seem to actually be ‘applying.’ I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE’s
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
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Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
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| I changed the Power Management Settings from ‘Replace’ to ‘Update’ and then everything started working on a laptop I was testing, but it still wasn’t working on a desktop I was testing. After I freshly imaged that desktop it started to work. What’s the reason for that? I know that Preferences ‘tattoo’ the settings on the machine unless you choose ‘Replace’ and ‘Remove after no longer applied.’ Or you can choose ‘Update’ to modify the existing settings or create new settings, or can choose ‘Delete’ to totally remove the setting. Anything procedurally that I’m doing wrong?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:36 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I’ll have to take a look at that. It’s weird, though, as it just started to work on one of the laptops but it’s not working on a desktop right next to me. It seems way too unpredictable.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:31 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam,
Check the files at:
2010-05-06 13:53:09.364 [pid=0x3f0,tid=0xbb4] GPE data file : \\pulaski.k12.wi.local\SysVol\pulaski.k12.wi.local\Policies\{04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}\User\Preferences\PowerOptions\PowerOptions.xml
And
2010-05-06 13:53:09.395 [pid=0x3f0,tid=0xbb4] GPH data file : C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Microsoft\Group Policy\History\{04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}\S-1-5-21-834434087-1672823513-1849977318-44511\Preferences\PowerOptions\PowerOptions.xml
1) Check to see whether the access permissions are good.
2) Check to see whether one of the files may be corrupted. I have found that sometimes the one in the GPO is fine, but that the one in the …\History\... location on the local device is corrupted…. They should both be ‘text based’ XML files and they should match exactly.
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
Office 425-865-6755 | Mobile 425-591-6491
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:14 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Thanks, Tim. I already had the ADMX’s in the Central Store, so I just had to enable that logging. I just applied the GPO to another machine and it appears to have applied everything correctly and I don’t see any errors in the Event Log. This is also a desktop, so the Standby setting does not affect it at this point so I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it.
Attached are the Trace Logs from the laptop that was giving the errors. The ID of the Power Management GPO is {04040CE9-EDCF-4F11-A27A-7961FA3454D1}. This is also the second Power Management GPO, as the first one was only set up on the Computer Side – I had it set to remove after it was no longer applied.
Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Bolton
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:17 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2008/07/18/enabling-group-policy-preferences-debug-logging-using-the-rsat.aspx
From earlier post -
As for whether they are getting picked up correctly, if you go to
download.microsoft.com<http://download.microsoft.com> and search on "Group Policy Preferences ADMX",
you'll find the GPP ADMX files that you can install. What these do after you
put them in c:\windows\policydefinitions (or the Central Store) is add a
container under Computer Config\Admin Templates\System\Group Policy\Logging
and Tracing that exposes trace logging for each GPP extension. This is
probably the best bet for tracking down problems that may be occurring after
RSoP reports that a setting did or did not get delivered.
As for a whitepaper on troubleshooting-I actually have an old one out on
GPOGUY.COM<http://GPOGUY.COM> that I probably need to update. Also, if anyone is interested,
I'm doing a 3 part video webinar for Windows IT Pro magazine on GP
Troubleshooting, in June. More info is here:
http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearnin
g/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic
<http://windowsitpro.com/elearning/index.cfm?http://windowsitpro.com/elearni
ng/index.cfm?fuseaction=dynamic&v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
> &v=5162&p=5206&code=&eventid=29&code=whatsnew
It does cost some nominal amount, I believe, but perhaps worth it for some.
Darren
Tim Bolton
148 2nd Street North
Central City Iowa, 52214
Microsoft Certified IT Professional
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On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Adam C Juelich <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
No, I’m not sure how to enable GPP trace logging. How do I go about that? Thanks!
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:32 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Its hard to tell what is going on there. You’re getting access denied errors on the power plan but its still applying. Do you know how to enable GPP trace logging? Might be worth having a look at the trace for power management and see if something is really not working correctly.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
No problem, Darren.
If I do the settings manually it works just fine, just not with the GPO-Applied Settings. I just checked the Event Viewer on one of the test machines and saw this (note the times):
Error! Filename not specified.
Error! Filename not specified.
This is a screen clip of the Power Options Settings from the machine’s Control Panel:
Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Sorry for the delay Adam. Can you detail exactly what you are setting? Maybe a screen of the Control Panel setting as you see it? If the policy is getting delivered, I can’t see a reason why it wouldn’t actually work, except something outside of the realm of the policy keeping the system awake. Is it any different behavior if you take one of those same machines and interactively set the power setting for standby?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Nobody has any ideas as to why it shows that the Power Management GPO applied correctly, the settings are correct in the Control Panel, but the settings don’t seem to go into effect?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:47 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I’ve now set it as Per User and it still does not initiate Stand By. Everything shows up fine under Power Settings in Control Panel, just as it did when I had it set as Per Computer but Stand By does not occur.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
When I did have it applied Per Computer, it did not go to standby while at the logon screen so I’m not sure. Do most people create settings on both the Computer and User side?
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:20 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
The way I understand it is that the per-computer GPP power settings will apply *until* a user logs in with a different set of power settings. This is a function of the way Windows handles power profiles, rather than a GPP issue. Specifically, user profiles ALWAYS overrule computer profiles. So, in the case where you have a machine that no one has logged into, then the per computer GPP power plan WILL apply. But once a user with a conflicting profile logs in, it will be swept away.
So, yes, loopback-based processing should work if you only want to apply the settings to a particular set of machines.
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:57 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
So it looks like the best bet is to create it on the User Side, Enable Loopback Processing, and Apply it to the computers, correct?
If it won’t work on the Computer Side, why do they even make it an option with GPP? Also, what are the Power Settings for .DEFAULT? Are those just the Power Settings that were created with the Default Profile? No way to change that other than re-create the default profile with those settings? I just worry about the situation where a computer was turned on from a cold boot and then nobody logs into it….it seems like it would never get any of the Power Management settings if I read that article right.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Cruz, Jerome L
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Take a look at these great articles on how/why it works the way it does.
Windows XP Power Management and Group Policy Preferences
http://blogs.technet.com/askds/archive/2009/12/11/windows-xp-power-management-and-group-policy-preferences.aspx
How to use Group Policy Preferences to manage Windows Power Plans (Note: I can no longer see the pictures linked on this one)
http://abskb.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8834054641A09100!1133.entry
Jerry Cruz | Group Policies Product Manager | Windows Server and Infrastructure Architecture | Boeing IT
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Well that would be less than ideal. It makes sense to have it be a Computer Policy. What Power Management settings would apply at the login screen then? I’m trying to implement these settings to save power when machines aren’t shut off at night.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Delaney, Doug
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:23 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
I know where this is going… we tried and tried to apply power options via computer, and it simply doesn’t work. They must be configured as user preferences to work.
Doug Delaney
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HP Enterprise Services
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Error! Filename not specified.
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Per Computer
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:05 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Adam-
Are you applying your power policies per-computer or per-user?
Darren
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Adam C Juelich
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:58 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [gptalk] GPP Power Management Issues
Hello Everyone,
We’re starting to deploy some new laptops with a fresh image which has the GP CSE’s. I created a Power Management GPO on my Windows 7 workstation and applied it to the correct OU. I verified that the new laptops get all the correct settings but the thing is that it doesn’t seem to actually be ‘applying.’ I have Standby set up to initiate after an hour on AC, and 30 minutes on battery. The thing is, the machines never go to Standby. If I manually initiate Standby it works fine. What could be wrong?
Server 2003 Domain
Windows XP Professional SP3 Clients w/ CSE’s
Attached is the HTML Report from the GPO
Thanks!
------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam C. Juelich
A+, Network+, MCTS:Vista, MCSE: Server 2003, MCSA: Messaging
District Technician
Pulaski Community School District
920-822-6075
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